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		<title>A word on grading systems</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Brooke and I are both going to school.  She&#8217;s wrapping up her bachelor&#8217;s degree at DeVry mainly online with a class or two on campus.  She has literally had like 102% in classes when she&#8217;s done.  She is very competitive and works very hard to maintain an excellent GPA.  Since she went back to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Brooke and I are both going to school.  She&#8217;s wrapping up her bachelor&#8217;s degree at <a href="http://www.devry.edu" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.devry.edu');">DeVry</a> mainly online with a class or two on campus.  She has literally had like 102% in classes when she&#8217;s done.  She is very competitive and works very hard to maintain an excellent GPA.  Since she went back to finish her degree after getting her AA originally she has not got a single letter grade other than A.  She gets certificates in the mail for the President&#8217;s/Dean&#8217;s list or something like that.  They flow in like water!  It&#8217;s unreal but only to be expected, she works very hard and is very dedicated.  She has a standard A/B/C grading system cut off at 90/80/70 like you&#8217;ve always known.  When I went to <a href="http://www.asu.edu" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.asu.edu');">ASU</a> for my undergrad degree it was the same thing.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve been going to <a href="http://www.colostate.edu" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.colostate.edu');">CSU</a> for two semesters; summer and fall.  I took a database course in the summer and got something like a 98.5% and it was recorded as an A.  I took Object Oriented Development (CS414) and Parallel Programming (CS475) this semester.  I know I got something like an 88% in 414 which turns out to be an A-.  That&#8217;s an A MINUS!  Same thing in 475, A-.  So my 4.0 is now a 3.7ish.  My problem here is two fold: The new +/- system sucks but there is no reward to do exceedingly well and get an A+.  I can do no better than a 4.0 so A is as good as it gets.</p>
<p>Now to truly appreciate this you need to know me as a young college kid the first time around.  I didn&#8217;t valiantly march through school with nothing but honors.  In fact, I barely made it through&#8230;it was more or a battered and bruised half-hearted slide to home plate.  I have a saying that Cs get Degrees.  I racked up more Cs than anyone around.  I had one lone A in my <a href="http://www.asu.edu" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.asu.edu');">ASU</a> undergrad.  ONE!  And it was a group project and we had some idiot savant who had it done in the second week of a 16 week course.  We spent 14 weeks going through the motions.  I had a D too, in MAT342, linear algebra.  Wasn&#8217;t a core course, so it was kosher.  I had some Bs, in fact my CSE421 class with Dr. David Pheanis was my crowning achievement.  I had the third best grade on the final in a course which was widely considered the hardest course in the ASU undergrad curriculum throughout the school, not just the CSE program.  Anyway, I wrapped up that degree with a 2.42 or so.  No one ever asked for my GPA, so Cs still got degrees and jobs!</p>
<p>So, now I&#8217;m doing better, I appreciate it more, I understand the material better now that I&#8217;ve worked in the field for almost 8 years.  I care, I don&#8217;t know why, but I care.  I want to do well.  I was happy to see two As, even if it was tempered with disappointment for seeing a minus next to both.  And on a side note, I see Dr Pheanis isn&#8217;t teaching anymore which is truly a tragedy.  I never understood why he did what he did or the reason for many seemingly pointless assignments.  I always thought he was an ego maniac and a jerk.  He&#8217;s not, he was one of the most skilled professors in the CS department at ASU.  Between 421 and 438 I learned how to write, not perfect but I got a lot better.  All the while I learned the fundamentals of a computer.  I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve explained the fundamentals of a switch/case statement to &#8220;Software Engineers&#8221; who have no idea how it&#8217;s implemented in languages like C as they deal in VB.</p>
<p>So +/- grading systems, thumbs down.  Dr Pheanis and the teachers like him who have a method to their madness even if we can&#8217;t see it right away, thumbs up.</p>
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